This is my second set. Recently purchased a more aggressive wheel setup and naturally went with Hankooks. Running 235/40 fronts and 265/35 rears and continue to be pleased with the performance of such affordable tires! Yes, they need to warm up and yes, they will break traction if I want, but most of the time they are SOLID performers, rain or shine. I now have a wider patch front and rear and I still find it hard to break traction, even in the rain. I don't track them, but I really appreciate the value they bring on my daily driver. Recently went on a local club run through the twisties from the mountain near Skyline Drive and they held up extremely well. Even if I don't get 20K miles on them, buying them is so easy because they are so inexpensive...today.