There are basic variables that need to be considered when choosing the proper tire: balance, longevity, the tire's grip, steering response, tread noise and ride compliance are just a few. We also have to assess how the tire performs in the rain, snow or in dry conditions based on the climate where you reside. Finally, it's also helpful to reflect on the traits you like and dislike with your current tire.
Using the hypothetical situation of Freddy from Fremont, California and John from El Paso, Texas, let's determine a few good choices for their 2009 Honda Fit Sports. Freddy drives approximately 8,000 miles a year and tends to drive 15-20 mph above the speed limit and also loves to attack the exit ramps. John drives 25,000 miles annually and keeps his speedometer at the posted speed limits.
Two great choices for Freddy are the Ultra High Performance Summer Yokohama S.drive and the Max Performance Summer Continental ExtremeContact DW. Both tires offer great dry and wet grip that allow him to take curves at fast speeds.
 205/50-16 Yokohama S.drive |  205/50-16 Continental ExtremeContact DW |
When it comes time to selecting tires for John, the following two options will be good since he has a different driving style than Freddy: the Ultra High Performance All-Season Kumho Ecsta 4X and the Grand Touring All-Season General AltiMAX HP. Both tires match John's preferences for less tread noise and better treadwear.
 205/50-16 Kumho Ecsta 4X |  205/50-16 General AltiMAX HP |
To see how a change in your tire size can have an effect on your fuel economy, read "Tire Rolling Resistance Part 2: Defining Rolling Resistance."
However, will the switch give me a Harder ride?
And finally, will swithcing from the Dunlop OEM decrease "washboard" road noise?
Thanks! Rick
As for a ride compliance difference, there's no effect. Since 185/55-15 and 205/50-16 still have the same overall 24" diameter, the sidewall thickness is the same. With 24" overall tire diameter and 16" wheel, each sidewall is 4 inches (24 minus 16 divided by 2).
If you're happy with the styling of Original Equipment (OE) 16" wheels you should use them as your summer wheels and get 15" wheels & tires for winter.
You'll have much better availability, choice and pricing on 175/65-15 or 195/60-15 snow tires. Basic alloy wheels start out at $71* per wheel and Michelin X-ICE XI2 is available at $73* in both sizes.
We don't have a 15" steel wheel for the Fit so if you want to run steel wheels, you would need to go to 14" ($41*). With 14" wheels though, you'd run the relatively rare 185/70-14 size ($89*). We want avoid odd sizes because: 1) pricing isn't as good and 2) it's sometimes to difficult to get a single replacement in the event of a road hazard.
So I would go with 15" basic alloys for winter. See options here:
www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterPackageMain.jsp?autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Fit+Sport&autoModClar=&autoYear=2009&affiliate=HK8
Cy
*Prices subject to change
This is Freddy from Fremont CA. I just ordered some General G-MAX AS-03s for my '09 Fit. How do they stack up against the Yoko's and Conti's as mentioned above? Thanks.
We want to match up so there's no grip difference between the front and rear.
185/55-16 is slightly taller then what we've test fit on the 1st Gen Fit so we'd consider 185/55-16 to be a "custom" size. So you should test fit before driving on.
Since it's a relatively narrow size on OE wheels, you should be fine.
Cy
The stiffer sidewalls of the above summer tires will provide a major improvement in cornering stability compared to OE.
If you're really cornering hard, consider the Dunlop Z1 Star Specs for even better steering response,grip and sidewall stiffness.
Cy
The Continental Extreme Contact DWS would be a close 2nd with slightly less hydroplaning resistance, a little better wet grip and better light snow traction.
If you run dedicated winter tires,then get the Continental Extreme Contact DW.
Thanks.
Cy
In reviewing the Traction ratings, I noted there's a new "AA" rating, which I wasn't aware of until now. I see that both tires you mentioned above have "A" ratings, which used to be the best. Should I be considering any tires with an AA traction rating for the rainy Nortwest weather (or are there even any AA rated tires available for the Honda Fit Sport)?
Thanks again Cy!
www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48&affiliate=HK8
In actual testing, the UTQG Traction rating isn't always accurate for predicting wet grip differences between AA Traction rated tires and A Traction tires.
For example, in an Ultra High Performance All-Season test we did last summer, the A Traction rated Continental Extreme Contact DWS' stopped in 89.90 feet in our 50-0 Wet Braking Test and the AA Traction rated Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus took 94.6 feet to stop.
205/50-16 AA Traction all-season options are the BF Goodrich Supersport A/S H & V Speed Rated, the Kumho Ecsta ASX, the Kumho Ecsta 4X and the Sumitomo HTR A/S P01 H & V Rated. Based test data and/or anecdotal feedback none of these tires have the wet proficiency to make our shortlist except for the new Kumho Ecsta 4X,
Ecsta 4X is a contender but G-Max AS-03's directional tread design would help the lightweight 2500 lb Fit resist hydroplaning in heavy downpour with standing water. So, for our emphasis wet performance in NW Washington the General G-Max AS-03 is a better choice.
What about the Kumho Ecsta 4X vs the Continental Extreme Contact DWS for wet grip? We haven't tested them head-head. Haven driven on both tires in different tests, I predict the Extreme Contact DWS will perform slightly better.
I also like the Extreme Contact DWS better as a 2nd choice because we have much more review data. With over 15 million miles of review mileage, drivers have ranked the Extreme Contact DWS 8.9 in Hydroplaning Resistance. The Ecsta 4X is rated the same but with only 560,000 miles of review mileage.
The best resource on this information is feedback from other Fit owners through the owners' sites we sponsor such as:
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/
As for a tire for your parameters,I'd go with Continental Extreme Contact DWS.
Cy
OEM tires are Bridgestone 185/55-16.
Question 1: Is there a reason you did not suggest a 205/55 tire instead of the 50 series?
Question 2: Any thoughts on Uniroyal?
Question 3: Do you have any thoughts on the 205/55-16? Will they fit the Fit?
Thanks!
205/50-16 maintains the Original Equipment diameter while 205/55-16 is about 1" larger in overall diameter. I don't like the higher center of gravity's effect on handling and I suspect 205/55-16 will negatively effect fuel economy in a controlled test especially at faster highway speeds. I would expect poorer aerodynamics is more harmful to efficiency then higher gearing.
We haven't tested any Uniroyal passenger tires recently so we don't have data to comment.
As for the risk of 205/55-16 rubbing, the risk will vary based on: exact tire (tread widths will vary slightly), amount of miles on the suspension and amount of weight that's in the back seat.
Given our conservative outlook we can't guarantee 205/55-16 won't rub and consider a "custom size." I suspect you'll find other 2nd Gen Fit drivers have experimented with this size on original wheels have gotten them to work
Since we're extremely careful in our recommendation, erring on the safe side, this is another area where feedback for other Fit drivers at the owners forums such as:
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/
is helpful.
Cy
Cy
The road noise and handling is terrible, and I'm more than ready to replace the tires.
I'm in the Pacific Northwest, looking for a year-round tire with great wet-weather handling, good longevity, and lower road noise.
What would you recommend? Is there a size larger than the Original Equipment that would give better options?
I'm having a hard time making the choice, so any assistance is much appreciated!
195/60-15 will fit on your Original Equipment 5.5" wide rim and won't rub.
If you'd prefer to stay with 175/65-15 I'd look at the General Altimax HP and Yokohama Avid Envigor.
Thanks.
Cy
Is the problem something you notice on all your highway trips? Does it happen on all highways?
If this problem occurs on all highways then you're probably experiencing the Fit's susceptibility to crosswinds combined with the Fit's quick steering response. One of marketing guys has noticed this on his Fit.
If the problem seems to vary with the highway, then car may be "tramlining" see more on this here:
www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=47&affiliate=HK8
or being effected by how the road is crowned.
If the car is being blown by crosswinds, the driver turns the wheel to respond, but may overcorrect because of the quick steering ratio and has to turn the wheel in the opposite direction. Susceptibility to crosswinds would be especially noticeable if your prior vehicles were much heavier and/or had a lower centers of gravity or slower steering.
If you're experiencing susceptibility to crosswinds there's not really a proven tire solution so I would also recommend getting anecdotal feedback from other Fit drivers at www.fitfreak.net, see:
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-generation-ge-08-present/58277-anyone-think-fit-wanders-highway-speeds-2.html
Lowering the vehicle with Eibach lowering springs would lower the center of gravity so in theory that would be help but there would be some ride degradation especially if you're in bad road country.
Since you're still under warranty I would recommend having a your Honda dealer and/or Local Installer, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/installer/index.jsp?affiliate=HK8
test drive the car to confirm there are no abnormal issues with it.
At the end of day this might be an inherent trait of the vehicle that driver must adjust to.
Cy
I notice the effect on all highways at speed, but i live near I95 and it is a very heavily travelled truck-infested road - and that's where much of my fast driving is. Even when you're not in the proximity of a truck, there's still heavy turbulence all around all the time - like a 747 leaves on a runway for minutes afterwards. I had a Toyota Matrix before - barely bigger but a slightly wider wheelbase, lower center of gravity, and less sheer sides/weight ratio, and less sporty tires and it felt welded to the road - only a nearby big truck would perturb it. The only suggestion i've seen where there's some consensus about improvement is a Beatrush underpanel - it perhaps sucks the car down onto the road and improves high speed handling and handling in turbulence.
I think a car shouldn't need big pieces of sheet metal or lowering as aftermarket fixes - i think it should just WORK PROPERLY all the time. We have made an appointment with the dealer though i'm cynical about its yielding much joy.
Again, thanks!
Have the factory 195/55/15s on it. Looking for new tires and thinking about wanting to jump to a 205/50, but not sure how much more the sidewall will bubble out with the 205 on a 6" wheel?
Also, I live in Indiana. Looking for a decent all season performance tire around $100/each.
What do you suggest?
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=15x6+&as_epq=205%2F50-15&as_oq=pic+pics&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=
Do little digging and you'll find some 205/50-15 on 15x6 pics. I think the sidewall contour looks fine.
Unfortunately with 205/50-15 not being a common size we're limited to 3 all-season choices, Kumho Ecsta ASX & AST and BF Goodrich G-Force Supersport A/S W Speed Rated. Good tires but all lacking good wet grip and like most all-season tires they'll be very average in snow.
So for better wet grip in an all-season I'd stay 195/55-15 and pick between the Kumho Ecsta 4x and the General G-Max AS-03 (by the way the mail-in rebate ends today)
Thanks. Cy
Most drivers will find 3-5 lbs above 33 to be sweet spot for tire wear, fuel economy, steering response and ride.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP422&partnum=05HR6EP422&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
It's rides well and is quiet. From our perspective it only offers average wet grip but it probably has better grip then the average mass-market retail store tire.
Ride compliance: If you're over 100K, then your front struts and rear shocks are probably showing symptoms of wear. Strut/shock wear symptoms such as poor ride, body roll in hard cornering, dive during hard braking and squat during hard acceleration are signs that shocks are significantly worn.
Driving style and road conditions will effect strut/shock wear but most drivers will see these symptoms in the 75,000-125,000 mile range.
Strut/shock wear happens so gradually that it's helpful have a friend drive your car without telling him or her what to look for.
For the wet grip and hydroplaning resistance needed for Florida rains and decent ride compliance for New York roads I'd go with General Altimax HP, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+HP&partnum=05HR6AMAXHP&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
Thank you.
Cy
For wet grip, light snow traction in an all-season tire for KC, I'd go with the 205/50-16 Continental Extreme Contact DWS. It's offers good wet grip and markedly better snow traction then it's peers, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=124&affiliate=HK8
The Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S just didn't impress me in the wet when I drove it, see test data here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=129&affilate=HK8
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=108&affiliate=HK8
The Kumho Ecsta 4X's predecessor, the Ecsta ASX, was very average in snow so the 4X's snow traction is unproven.
Cy
I haven't been impressed by Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S when I test drove, it didn't find it to be super effective on our wet test track, see test data here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=129&affilate=HK8
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=108&affiliate=HK8
Cy
Most Philly drivers are looking for the following traits: 1)better snow traction compared to the Original Equipment 2) comparable wet grip to the Original Equipment and low tread noise & good ride compliance.
Does summarize what you're looking for? If so I'd recommend Bridgestone Ecopia EP422, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP422&partnum=05HR6EP422&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&wtpackage=true&affiliate=HK8
We saw above-average snow grip in our testing and although we haven't tested the OE tires we expect comparable or maybe slightly better wet grip with Ecopia EP422.
Thanks.
Cy
So glad I've found this thread - thanks for all the advice you've given posters here so far.
My 2009 Honda Fit Sport needs at least 2 winter tires, possibly 4. I run dedicated summer & winter tires, each on their own rims.
The current summer tires are Dunlop 185/55 R16, and the winter ones are Yokohama IceGuard 175/65 R15.
I live in rural eastern Ontario, where there's a lot of snow, salt & freezing rain, and sometimes stiff cross-winds, white-outs, wild turkeys dashing across the road, etc. I do both highway and city driving, at least 100 km/day (62 miles). I pretty much stick to the speed limit, and try not to drive aggressively.
Last spring when my local tire shop was looking for new summer tires for me, it was quite a job - they ended up finding tires in Ohio (!) and they were not cheap. I'm concerned the same will happen with the winter tires.
My other priority is the ride - as great as the Fit is in all other respects, I won't buy one again as it's just too bone-jarring. Anything I can do about this with the tires would be great - secondary to winter safety.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance,
Shannon
I have a 2010 Fit Sport, I do about 180 km per day , am looking for winter tires/sizing . I had Michelin x-ice2 for my Civic which where great but am unsure of the sizing for my Fit Sport. Can you help? Weather conditions can be treacherous much as like the poster's above. Thanks.
185/70-14: I would strongly recommend going 185/70-14 on basic 14" steel wheels (alloys work fine as well). The narrower size will cut through moderate & deep snow while still being wide enough for icy and dry roads.
The Michelin Xi2 is currently made in 185/70-14 but it's being replaced by Xi3. Michelin doesn't feel the Xi3 will be backwards compatible with the Xi2. So, if you lose an Xi2 due to a road hazard you could be faced with the prospect of having to replace all 4.
If this is a concern, I'd also look at other Studless Ice and Snow tires such as the Dunlop Graspic DS-3. Compared to the Xi2 the Graspic's comparable in snow but slightly less effective in ice and significantly less precise on dry roads.
16" size: I 'd stay 185/55-16. The Xi2 is currently available in the size but you still have the future availability issue. So among the current tires I'd looked the Blizzak WS-70.
Thanks.
Cy
My 2009 Honda Fit Sport got a nail in the shoulder of a tire and there weren't any matching tires in Houston, TX. So I've been driving fine with the front OE tires and the back Yokohama 205/50/16s for a year and a half.
Now the original tires are getting bald (35,000 miles). I saved the other tire, which has 24,000 miles on it), so I could buy one to match and leave them on the front (the rear two have 10,900 miles). Or buy two more Yokohamas so I can rotate my tires again. Or buy four of something else so the wear is the same on all.
Most of my driving is highway speed, assertive but not aggressive. I think the original tires are a bit loud.
What would you recommend?
Joy
If your 3 other 185/55-16 OEM tires still have a lot of life left in them you should get the exact matching tire.
Cy
Between 14" winters which would mean 205/50-15 summers and 15" winters coupled with 205/50-16 summers, you're better off with 205/50-15 summers giventheir small overall diameter (23.1") is closer to your OE diameter of 195/55-15 (23.4). 205/50-16 is tall for the 1st Gen Fit Sport.
http://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterPackageMain.jsp?autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Fit&autoModClar=Base&autoYear=2012&affiliate=HK8
Cy
For your parameters I would look at both the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 and Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max as both did well (for an all-season) in our snow test.
Neither is great in rain but I suspect they're as good as the either Original Equipment tire.
Both have 65K mileage warranty and with proper maintenance and normal driving style you should be able to improve from 30K to 40-60K.
Cy
You are right about the unusual Fit sizes.
I have a base 2012 fit, with the standard tires 176/65R 15 84S and wheels 15 by 5.5J. I'm trying to select the winter tires and rims that will match the current configuration the closest, but I'm not seeing any rims that are 15 by 5.5.
I'm looking to buy Blizzak tires and steel rims if possible. Alloy if necessary. What would the closest available match in diameter and width be?
I'm on schedule for 30k/year, mostly conservative highway driving, but I also like to press it a bit on local roads in good weather. Still, I have to make it from point A to point B for work, so driving through almost everything is necessary...
Compared to your 15x5.5 55mm offset Original Equipment steel, the 15x6.5 40mm offset Sport Edition F2 at $82 plus shipping offers the best combination of comparable specs, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&winter=0&initialPartNumber=KSE948875S&wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=F2&wheelFinish=Silver+Painted&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Fit&autoYear=2012&autoModClar=Base&affiliate=HK8
Cy
We don't have an exact weight on your original wheel but it's probably around 22 lbs.
With 175/65-15's having a 23.9" overall diameter and 205/50-16's being 24.1" there isn't any significant difference so your Fit will underestimate your actual speed by about 8/10's of 1% so when your speedometer shows 59.5 MPH you're doing 60 MPH. Your Fit won't automatically compensate but this very slight speedometer error and won't effect TPMS.
Thanks.
Cy
Tires with marked advantage in gravel road durability (EG the BF Goodrich All-Terrain KO ) aren't available in a compatible size.
Since there isn't a marked difference in puncture susceptibility amongst available tires, I'd go with 205/50-16 and pick between the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 and Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max. Both these tires performed well (for an all-season) in our snow test, should be comparable in wet grip to the OE tires and offer good wear in normal driving conditions.
Thanks.
Cy
Merry Christmas everyone!
Thanks
The base Fit has the 175/65-15's so 205/50-16's won't work. 175/65-15 is a fairly common size so there's no need to switch to an alternate size.
For your parameters of good wear, tire efficiency and no disadvantages compared to your stock Dunlops, I'd go with the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP422&partnum=765HR5EP422&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
We haven't done a direct comparison test between the stock Dunlop and Ecopia EP422 so I would also get feedback from other Fit drivers at fitfreak owner's site.
Thanks.
Cy
Thanks. Cy
Yes, 205/50-16 Ecopia EP422 will work fine. This size fits your original wheel, has a comparable overall diameter and doesn't rub.
The tire manufacturers' websites will focus on the exact original equipment size to simplify decision making. As an Authorized Bridgestone Retailer, we have additional information on alternative sizing since we test tires, test fitment and work directly with consumers. So we have the data to properly advise on alternative sizes. As you already know, Bridgestone doesn't make the Ecopia in 2009 Honda Fit Sport Original Equipment size of 185/55-16.
Thanks
Cy
Thanks for visiting our blog. For your parameters of good wear and decent snow grip for an all-season tire, 205/50-16 Bridgestone Ecopia EP422's would be a good choice. They'll fit fine on your Original Equipment wheels. Your 6" wide factory wheels are wide enough accommodate 205/50-16's which are approximately 1" (20mm) wider.
Thanks. Cy
Having a different widths and different tires on one axle vs the axle isn't ideal. The difference in handling will vary depending exact tire and tread depth but you could end up with more grip in the front on dry roads. Having more grip on the front can make a vehicle fishtail in an evasive maneuver.
Thanks, Cy.
So in addition to my recommendations I'd also get feedback from other Fit drivers at Fitfreak who driven the OE Dunlops and other tires.
I wouldn't expect the OE Dunlops to be intrinsically harsh since Honda normally picks a tire with decent ride compliance as OE. With the Fit being a short-wheelbase car, there are limits on how smoothly it will ride. Did you drive a longer-wheelbase vehicle before you had the Fit? If so some of what you're feeling may be the "natural" difference in ride compliance because of the shorter wheelbase.
With this mind two tires that provide good ride compliance are the 205/50-16 Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 and the 205/50-16 General Altimax HP. The Bridgestone has above-average snow grip for its category and a non-directional tread design allowing you to cross-rotate. The General provides better wet grip, features a directional tread design (front to back rotation) and is very average in light snow.
Cy
Thank you!
For decent wear, efficiency, low tread noise and good ride compliance I'd with the 205/50-16 Bridgestone Ecopia EP422. This size will fit on your Original Equipment Honda rim and won't rub. I wouldn't expect see any significant difference on how tires available in this size behave on a rocky dirt road.
Thanks.
Cy
My wife is nearing the end of her Oem dunlops on our 2012 fit sport. Rougly 30k miles
Some concerns I have about the car from a personal experience are that at highway speed I had to avoid debris in the road, and the back end got a little loose for my taste.
I'm looking to get a stiffer sidewall tire, I'd love it to grip well and get a decent 25k+ miles out of the new tires as well.
Live in Houston , so snow isn't an issue. Mostly summer heat and rain is all I've to deal with.
For your priorities of better handling in transitions, wet & dry grip and decent wear for high mileage driver I'd go with the 205/50-16 Kumho Ecsta 4X's as they tested well across the board. The General G-Max AS-03 would be worth considering as well but the Kumho Ecsta 4X has better steering response.
Thanks.
Cy
The Ecsta ASX is the predecessor to the Ecsta 4X with Ecsta 4X being better in all parameters especially in wet grip.
So with Ecsta 4X currently $3 less, get the Ecsta 4X.
Thanks.
Cy
2011 Fit Sport, driven daily. I live in Austin, TX. Lots of summer days over 100 degrees, not much rain, never snow or ice. I have 42K on the OE Dunlops, but I rotate every 5K. Just now seeing the wear indicators. My only real complaint is the road noise and that might just be that they are near the end of their life. I am changing size to 205/50-16.
My priorities are high mileage rating and low noise. I drive at or under the speed limit, trying to maximize MPG. Very conservative driver and mostly highway miles. A local retailer recommended Yokohama YK580. What would you recommend? Thanks for your help.
Based on how you drive, how much you drive, your climate and your comments, you need a quiet, good-wearing and efficient tire. The Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 would be your best choice. We don't have any test data on that Yokohama tire since it's only distributed through local retail stores. I have concerns about its efficiency given it's 20.9 pound weight in 205/50-16 (per Yokohama's website) compared to the 19 pound 205/50-16 Bridgestone Ecopia EP422. This 1.9 lb weight difference is significant. Although I can't put an exact number on it, it's enough to have a negative, measurable effect on fuel economy
Thanks. Cy.
Thanks!
225/75-16's would be 29.3" tall, much too big for the Fit with 175/65-15 being 23.9 inches and 185/55-16's having a diameter of 23.9 inches.
Cy
I live in CO and I'm looking for an all season 205/50-16 that handles snow the best. Right now, getting winter tires isn't a financial possibility. What am I best off getting and why? If there are multiple options with benefits/cons what are they?
Thank you!
I'd go with Continental Extreme Contact DWS as Choice #1 and Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 as Choice #2 as both tested well in light snow for all-seasons, see:
http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/roll-on/lessons-learned-from-the-great-white-north-all-season-tire-snow-testing?affiliate=HK8
The major strengths of the Continental Extreme Contact DWS vs the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 are better wet grip & steering response. The Bridgestone Ecopia EP422's advantages compared to the Continental Extreme Contact DWS are less tread noise, better ride and slightly better wear.
Thanks.
Cy
Since low profile and regular profile aren't specific enough, it's more helpful to speak in terms of sidewall height
We have to be realistic about how much we can actually improve ride compliance by altering sidewall height. Will adding more sidewall height significantly improve ride compliance on bumpy, pot-hole scarred roads like the ones we have in northern Indiana? Not that much. Ride compliance is more dependent on wheelbase length, suspension design, spring rates, shock/strut rebound setting and road quality (obviously). So, adding sidewall height help but it's no game changer.
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Nonetheless, if you decide to change sidewall height, then the best way to increase sidewall height is by downsizing to smaller wheels. We can go from the OE 185/55-16 (24" overall tire diameter) to 185/70-14 (24.2" overall tire) diameter on new 14" wheels. Since overall tire diameter remains the same, we've added 2.2" more sidewall to providing slightly more cushioning. It's like shrinking the hole in the middle of a donut.
You can view compatible 14" wheels by clicking on the Winter section of the Upgrade Garage and navigating to:
http://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterTireCompare.jsp?minLoad=LL&sortSize=14&snowSortCode=10345&autoYear=2010&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Fit&autoModClar=Sport&winterType=A&startIndex=0&performance=W&search=true&affiliate=HK8
From this page, click on "Don't need tires, Skip to wheels" to view compatible 14" wheels, pick some 14" wheels (theoretically narrower 5.5" wide wheels ride better than 6" wide wheels because of the slightly more parabolic sidewall) add them to your cart and pick an all-season 185/70-14 tire at:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185%2F&ratio=70&diameter=14&affiliate=HK8
For good wear and ride compliance, Michelin makes the Defender, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185%2F&ratio=70&diameter=14&affiliate=HK8%20%3E%3E%20www.titirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185/&ratio=70&diameter=14&affiliate=HK8
we'll receive more 185/70-14's in mid March.
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Some Fit drivers have experimented with the custom fit size of 205/55-16's on the Original Equipment Honda Fit Sport wheels. Page up to my Wednesday June 13, 2012 post to see more information on that size.
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If you decide to go with the recommend alternative size of 205/50-16 (24" overall diameter so same sidewall height) on your original wheels then Michelin makes Pilot Exalto A/S, see:
www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Exalto+A%2FS&partnum=05VR6EXAS&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
Thanks.
Cy
Is sounds like you have the standard 175/65-14 tire size? Best choice for an affordable tire with decent wet trip,relatively low tread noise and decent wear would be the Kumho Solus KH16 in the alternative size of 185/60-14.
See:
www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Solus+KH16&partnum=86HR4KH16&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
185/60-14's are about .2 inches smaller in diameter and about 1/2 inch wider. 185/60-14 will fit on your Original Equipment 14x5.5" wide wheels without rubbing.
Thanks.
Cy
I have a 2010 Fit Base and I need new tires after just around 30k on the stock Dunlops. I read this entire post and based on your previous responses I'm deciding between either the General G-Max AS-03 or the Continental Extreme Contact DWS @ 205/50-16. I'm planning to get new wheels as well to fit the 16" wheels in place of my OE rims. Are these a good choice for low mileage - back roads/highway in Connecticut? The Dunlops did awful in the snow and I was not pleased with the wear. I want a good tire that will last at least longer than 30k. Also will the type of rim I choose make a big difference in my mileage? What do you think about these http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Fit&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Base&initialPartNumber=4416700145B&i1_Qty=4&wheelMake=Enkei+Performance&wheelModel=EDR9&wheelFinish=Black+Painted&wheelFinish=Black+Painted&showRear=no
Thanks!
For your parameters I like the Continental Extreme Contact DWS as they have good snow grip for their tire type. I'd also look the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422. They also tested well in the snow but should offer better wear.
With rim choice we want to make sure that we don't add too much additional weight to the wheel&tire assembly as this will negatively effective fuel economy. Based on feedback from other Fit drivers at the fitfreak owner's site, your OE 16" Fit Sport wheels weigh 17.6 lbs. Enkei EDR9's weigh 18.6 lbs. A 1 lb difference isn't significant. I like the Enkei EDR9 for it combination quality, price and good looks.
Thanks.
Cy
Need tires for my 2011 Fit Sport. I've used Conti DWS on my last Civic and really liked them. From previous posts I gather they will fit. My question is will there be any effect on gas mileage? Also, will steering response and ride be noticeably different than with the stock Dunlops?
Thanks,
Kurt
We don't have direct comparison information on tire efficiency and steering response&ride compared to the OE Dunlops so I'd recommend visiting ExtremeContact DWS threads at the Fitfreak forum to get anecdotal feedback, (our blog software's spam filter somehow prevents us from providing a direct link).
Compared to the OE Dunlops I would expect to see some decrease in efficiency, improved steering response and comparable ride compliance.
Thanks.
Cy
The ride feel is slightly softer and cornering traction is slightly less -- probably the rubber needs higher pressure (i.e. a heavier car) for optimum traction. I prefer the wider tires for these reasons only: more rubber area on the road means better coping with road imperfections and less chance of tire damage.
This makes me feel a WHOLE lot safer. Placing the 185 beside the 205 it is clear the 205 is a monster piece of rubber -- after a whole day on the interstate you'll SO much more want that under you.
Oreo's are for eating: rather go for the 205's.
Thank you very much for all the valuable info you provide.
With Toyo we only carry their Motorsports tires (and a few Original Equipment tires) so we don't have any test or feedback data on their all-season tires.
For the Midwest I'd go with Bridgestone Ecopia EP422
Thanks. Cy
I have a 2011 Fit LX (base) model with 175/65-15's. I am changing size for 195/55-16's with yokohama advid envigor tires. Will it fit on my base model.
Thanks
There's a slight risk that 195/55-16's (24.4" overall diameter) will rub. The likelihood of rubbing varies with the width and offset of your 16" wheels Since we ship 99% of we sell, we're extremely careful when we assess rubbing risk. So, I'd also get feedback from other drivers at the Fitfreak website we sponsor. I suspect you'll find other 2nd Gen Fit drivers were able to get 195/55-16 to work as long as they: (1) didn't have a lowered suspension and (2) used the 2nd Generation Honda Fit Sport OE rim (6" wide & 53mm offset).
Cy
Please measure the tread depth on your other 3 tires, if they have at least 8/32nd tread depth remaining, then go with one OE Dunlop.
Cy.
Downsizing to smaller wheels would give you for more sidewall and slightly ride compliance, but it won't be a major change especially if you're used to a smoother ride. At the end of the day, the ride will be what it will be.
This is something I came to terms with my Subaru BRZ. About 9 months I sold my Honda Prelude and bought a Subaru BRZ. I like the BRZ but it rides markedly harder especially with our rough Indiana roads. This harsh ride is an innate part of the car that I'm not thrilled about but I'm starting to grudgingly tolerate.
So if I here in your shoes, I'd run the OE tires until they're worn out and not switch prematurely. Please touch base with me then and we'll review optimal choices. We'll have more data and probably some new entrants into the marketplace at that point in time.
Cy
I drive about 10-15 miles over the speed limit, am average in the aggressive department and do a mix of in-town and highway driving. I'm not looking for top of the line, but also don't want to just go for the cheapest set. I've read some positive reviews (on fitfreak blogs) about the GY Eagle GT and the Kumho Ecsta, but am open to other options.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Jodi
Thanks. Cy.
I'm looking to get a set of 15x7 Enkei compe classics for my 2010 Honda fit sport. Would I be able to run 205/65/15 tires on those wheels?
I'll put weight on the rear of my 2WD Tacoma because I want weight on the drive wheels but wouldn't do so for the Fit. There's no benefit for putting weight in the back to front-wheel-drive Fit. Thanks. Cy.
Nice article. I have a 2007 Fit Sport in need of tires. They are 195/55/15. Will the alternate sizing you mentioned work for this size as well?
Thanks.
It appears that 205/50s might just fit. But if I order them and they're shipped to my installer, and they don't quite fit, may I return them if they've been mounted? I suspect it's no, but wanted to ask anyway.
Also, suggestions in 195/50 and 205/50 for corner carving? I'm in CA, don't see snow, want max possible dry grip and still good in rain.
Great thread, thank you!
For great dry grip and decent wet capability I'd recommend the 205/50-16 Dunlop Direzza Z2's. There's not really a great 195/50-16 choice.
Thanks. Cy
Then given my parameters, any specific tire recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks
175/65-15 is the optimal tire size that works for these requirements and it's fine to mount them on steel wheels.
As for tire choice the Blizzak WS-70 would be optimal because of its great ice and packed snow grip. Thanks. Cy.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP422&affiliate=HK8
and the 205/50-16 Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Assurance+Fuel+Max&affilate=HK8
as both tested well in the snow, see snow test info here:
http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/roll-on/lessons-learned-from-the-great-white-north-all-season-tire-snow-testing?affiliate=HK8
Yokohama make the Avid Ascend in 185/55-16 and the Yokohama Avid Envigor in 205/50-16 but their predecessors didn't fare as well in older snow tests. Thanks. Cy.
I'm looking to replace my OE tires on my 2010 Fit Sport with 50K miles. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and mainly use my Fit for a 50 mile daily round trip commute (mostly highway). I'm looking for a good all season tire that offers great fuel economy and better grip than my stock tires. What are your thoughts on the Pirelli Cinturato? Thanks!
www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=171&affiliate=HK8
but it wasn’t stellar in the wet. Since it’s rare to exceed a tire’s dry grip limit in street driving, wet grip is most important safety differentiator. Therefor for your parameters I’d also look at the General Altimax HP, see:
www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+HP&partnum=05HR6AMAXHP&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
Thanks Cy.
I have a stock Honda Fit 2010. I am from California and will be moving to Texas soon. My city does not have any harsh or extreme weather that would make me worry about driving. Since I will be moving to Abilene, Texas I have read that weathers could be extreme with heavy rain, light snow, and maybe icy roads. I tried contacting local tire dealers for continental dws tires but they are all back ordered, nationwide. If continental dws tires are not available what are other alternatives that would best suit driving in texas. Thanks!!
We need to replace the four tires on a 2010 Honda Fit Sport (my wife's commuter car). We would like to keep the original rims so we are restricted to 195-55-R16 or 205-50-R16.
This car drives on local roads 80% of the time and highways 20%, and is *not* driven aggressively. We live in the Boston area where the summers are fairly hot (90's but rarely 100), winters are cold with snow, ice, and slush.
We think we want all-weather tires as opposed to separate tires for winter and summer though I would like your views on this.
We want tires that ride soft, are less noisy than the OE, and provide the best combination of stopping and emergency avoidance handling on the roads here in New England. We are willing to sacrifice performance handling and if need-be, milage efficiency.
Very interested in your thoughts on the best options for our situation. Thanks again.
If you frequently drive on icy, snow-covered roads (roads inconsistently plowed and/or salted) then I’d get separate snow tires. In glare ice we saw a 18.5 foot difference in 12-0 ice braking, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=154
Thanks. Cy
Would a tire with a higher aspect ratio help? She is not at all an aggressive driver so the higher center of gravity would not matter.
I have a Honda Fit Sport 2012 Auto and I am in need of a tire change. Which tires could you recommend that would improve ride quality and highway stability without sacrificing any (or maybe even improving) handling and fuel efficiency?
Thank you,
Jacob
Since we’ve haven’t test driven the Original Equipment tires we don’t have any hard data to compare. Ride compliance depends largely on wheelbase length and factory suspension design & tuning. Therefore we can only make incremental improvements in ride compliance by tire choice. Highway stability is another innate vehicle trait.
That being said, for ride compliance, efficiency and proper tracking at highway speed, I’d look at the 205/50-16 Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max and 205/50-16 Bridgestone Ecopia EP422.
Thanks. Cy.
I'm getting a 2014 Honda Fit with 175/65R15s on 15" steel wheels. I'd like to know the offset on my OEM steelies and what you think of putting the stock tires on new 6.5" wide rims. The recommended rim width range is 5.0" - 6.0 and so perhaps this is technically "stretching" them. I hate to use that term but wonder if a mild stretch on a tall tire would actually improve handling a bit, plus I don't see how going 1/2" over the maximum recommended rim width would cause the ride to be any harsher than what the Sport's 185/55R16s (on 6.0" rims) deliver.
Thoughts ? (Thanks.)
The only 2014 Honda Fit with 175/65-15 as Original Equipment is the Canadian spec version (same as the 2013 Honda Fit) so if you have 2014 Honda Fit LX or DX (Canadian Domestic Market) your original wheels are 5.5” wide with a 55mm offset.
We wouldn’t recommend mounting 175/65-15’s on 6.5” wide wheels because there is a risk of the tire being unseated. If you somehow found an installer to mount them I wouldn’t expect to see major differences in ride compliance based on just a width change since ride is so dependent on wheelbase length, suspension design and suspension tuning.
Thanks. Cy.
Thank you so much!
Sounds like you’re in the Northeast where potholes are everywhere so there’s only so much we can do to improve durability. That being said I would do the following: 1) migrate over to the custom over-sized size of 205/55-16, 2) make sure the your shop isn’t radically over inflating your tires beyond the Honda’s factory recommendation of 33 front & rear because an over-inflated tire’s sidewall lacks the ability of flex and absorb impacts and 3) although it’s usually not cost-effective given your run of bad luck I would get Road Hazard coverage on your tires.
Thanks. Cy.
If you need to the replace them immediately then the 185/55-16 Kumho Ecsta PA31 would be the best option. Compared to the Premier Assurance A/S they’ll give up some wet grip and longevity.
If you planning having the car 5-8 years or longer I’d recommend running the 3 season tires on one set of rims and the winter tires on another set so you don’t have to re-mount balance bi-annually.
Thanks. Cy
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Ecopia+EP422&partnum=765HR5EP422&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
Thank. Cy
Fuel economy at 55-65 mph steady highway improved from 37 to 41 MPG. This was determined via Fuelly, not a random single reading.
Ride of broken pavement and bumps much improved.
Handling and steering response is about the same when running at 38-40 psi on all four tires.
We are very satisfied with 205/50s on 2nd gen (2009) Fit.
Do you suggest the Yokohama AVID Ascend 185's or the S.drive 205's? Or another?
Thanks,
John
Based on your use we need a tire with great wet grip, cold temperature capability, hydroplaning resistance and great wet & dry cornering grip. The best tire for these needs is the 205/50-16 Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+A%2FS+3+(H-+or+V-Speed+Rated)&partnum=05VR6PSAS3&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
The Avid Ascend demonstrated very average wet grip in our testing and the Yokohama S Drive won’t have sufficient grip in cold temperatures.
Thanks. Cy.
We’ll test tires for wet grip, dry grip, snow traction but we don’t actively test the risk of rubbing on oversized tires since we ship the 99% of what we sell. The best resource for clearance information on oversized custom fit sizes is anecdotal feedback from other Fit drivers at the Fitfreak.net website we sponsor.
Thanks. Cy
I test drove a 2015 Fit EX and it had very loud tire noise from the front end. Can you recommend a tire that will be a whole lot quieter and also a smooth ride? I drive in lots of wet weather from mist to rain and also rarely freezing temps but no snow.
Thanks,
Susan
Tires will obviously play a role in tire tread noise, tire impact noise and ride comfort but much of what you experience is intrinsic to the car. So I wouldn’t preemptively replace Original Equipment tires in the hopes of making a huge improvement.
If you wish to emphasize road manners when it’s time to replace tires I’d look the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All-Season Plus in the 205/50-16. This tire has been one of the quietest tires we’ve tested on 3-Series test cars.
Thanks.
Cy
It looks like switching to 205/50-16 Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 is the best compromise for us, but I wanted your opinion. Is there a better choice???
Thanks,
Mark
For your priorities, I would go with the 205/50-16 General Altimax RT43. Compared to the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422, the RT43 has noticeably more wet grip, decent snow competency for an all-season, better handling and comparable road manners. See this tire here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=AltiMAX+RT43+(H-+or+V-Speed+Rated)&partnum=05HR6AMRT43&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Honda&autoYear=2013&autoModel=Fit&autoModClar=Sport&affiliate=HK8
Based on our separate comparison tests we would expect the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 to be slightly more efficient but wouldn’t expect a huge difference.
I suspect some of the road noise is intrinsic to the car so I’m not sure how much improvement we can make.
Thanks. Cy.
I appreciate any advice. Thank you...Nick
If replacing only two, I prefer to match the existing tires. Good alternatives if changing four would be the Michelin Premier AS or Yokohama Avid Ascend.
Thanks, Cy
I have a 2010 Honda Fit Sport and it's coming time for me to change my tires due to wear and tear. I have the OEM 185/55r16s on it right now and the ride quality, a lot of tread noise (noisey on the highway) and stability is rough. I've seen the reviews about the 205/50-16 size tires and I'm willing to give them a try, but i really dont want to sacrifice too much fuel efficiency if i go with a larger tire size. I live in Florida and it rains quite a bit, so what size tire and brand of tire would you suggest for good ride quality, stability, less tread noise and good fuel efficiency?
Thanks
For fuel economy emphasis you're better off staying with the Original Equipment 185/55-16 tire size rather than the wider 205/50-16 size. The narrower footprint has less rolling resistance and therefore it’s more efficient. Specifically I'd look at Michelin Premier Assurance A/S, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=188
I like this tire for its proven wet grip and its wet traction at mid-life.
Based on how well the Premier Assurance A/S performed in our test I would also expect to see some improvement in ride, highway stability and tread noise but some of what you're experiencing in these areas is intrinsic to the car.
Thanks. Cy.
Very awesome you for years have been keeping up with this thread. This is my first time asking for help through tire rack. I read this whole thread.
I have had my 2009 Honda fit for over 180k miles and have used many different tires from here and other places and have never been really happy. It was interesting to see the recommendation for a wider tire for wet/snow (205/50/16) and I am interested as there seems to be limited choices in 195-55-16 and the oem size left for me to try. I value sharp handling, good wet and dry over everything. (the things that could save your life driving over a quiet ride / comfort) Longevity and good fuel economy matter as well since I drive many miles per year and get paid per mile. Given all the changes to new models since 2011 like the new Kumho ecsta 4x2 what right now is the best all season tire for those who want everything but comfort for the price?
I use dedicated XICE3 snows for winter in PA so it would be for possible light snow (it can always happen here in spring and fall) or no snow to summer/fall leaves.
I have used most recently...
Kumho ECSTA 4X (got 22k miles and they were shot....but were the best handling tire I have used ever on this car)
Yokohama AVID-ENVIGOR (little less than 35k miles and they were shot and they did not handle as well as the Kumhos but were ok)
I was considering General AS-03's just because i have yet to try them and i saw you mentioned them way back when...or the Conti DW or DSW's... and getting the larger size like you recommend over the 195-55-16. I have a newer suspension, free lifetime HUNTER alignments, and get the car rotated every 3-4k miles with change. Your competition Discount Tire tried to talk me into Yokohama YK-580's but i read some frightening reviews about them not doing well in wet conditions and cornering like poo...despite them being an exclusive....so i ended up here since you seem to give good recommendations based on people's needs and conditions. Wondering what you would recommend.
Thanks for your time
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+A%2FS+3+(H-+or+V-Speed+Rated)&partnum=05VR6PSAS3&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
The General G-Max AS-03 would be a decent 2nd choice but if you're a faster driver there's a significant difference in steering response and grip you'll notice.
We don’t have any hard data but I wouldn’t expect see major variances in fuel economy between the 2.
Thanks. Cy.
I have a 2009 Fit Sport and have to replace the OE tires. Most of the driving is in SW Florida, so rain is an issue in the summer. One or two trips/year to CT, so a much smaller possibility of snow, but I'm most concerned with ride, noise, & wet handling. My driving style is very conservative, and along with that, I appreciate the great mpg the Fit delivers. In your site, I've identified a few candidates:
205/50/16:
General Altimax RT-43
Pirelli Cinturato
185/55/16:
Michelin Premier
Sumatumo HTR A/S P02
I'm intrigued by the affordability of the Sumatumo...
I'd value your input on these or any other suggestions you may have.
Thanks Very Much,
Bruce
For your parameters of ride compliance, low tread noise, wet grip, light snow traction and efficiency I like the 205/50-16 General Altimax RT43 as the optimal choice in your shortlist and most appropriate choice overall.
The Sumitomo HTR A/S P02’s predecessor, HTR A/S P01 was very average in the snow so I would rule out the HTR A/S P02 until it’s proven itself in our 2016 snow testing. The Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus’ wet traction test results were average. Thanks. Cy.
For optimizing treadwear, efficiency, wet grip, snow traction and highway driveability I would stay with the 185/55-16 Original Equipment size Michelin Premier Assurance A/S, see:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Premier%20A/S&partnum=855HR6PREAS&tab=Survey&affiliate=HK8
Although the Premier Assurance A/S is a relatively new tire, it’s predecessor the Michelin Primacy MXV4 had good track record for treadwear. In our testing, it did very well in the wet, decent in snow and performed well overall.
Thanks. Cy.
I am not a performance oriented driver. So I value Quite > Comfort > Fuel Efficient > Tread Life > Performance.
I am currently looking at the Pirelli P7 plus, General RT43 and Yokohama Avid Envigor. I do notice Bridgestone have a new Ecopia Ep 422 plus but I don’t see much review yet, so I would tend to stay on the safe side. I am interest in your opinion and suggestion, please let me know and thank you so much!
I'm not sure if running 205/50-16 has that much of an effect in cross-wind stability since the Fit's lightweight is the root cause.
For your parameters I like the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All-Season Plus, it was quiet and rode well in our comparison test.
I'm a little surprised that your OE Dunlops are out at 18K so I would check with your installer to verify they're rotating at least every 5K and you're running the Factory Recommended Air Pressure of 33 (or 2-5 lbs higher).
Thanks. Cy.
I have a 2010 Fit Sport with 30k split between dedicated snows and rims and the original Dunlops. I live in upstate NY so the dedicated snows are on 5 months out of the year. 2 Dunlops are shot, and I going to replace all four.
Ride, wet traction, handling and longevity are all important to me. WIth the dedicated snows I guess I dont need to think as much about snow traction. I am torn between Michelin Prem M/S in 185 size versus the Mich Pilot Sport A/S 3 in 205 size, though it seems that as good a choice as both of those are, the General Altimax RT43 in the 205 size offers everything they do at a significant savings. What do you think? And, yes, it rains here when it does not snow.....
Given our conservative outlook we can't guarantee 205/55-16 won't rub and consider a "custom size." If you visit the Fitfreak website we sponsor you’ll probably find other 2nd Gen Fit drivers have that have successful experimented with this size and gotten them to work
Thanks. Cy.
I have been reading through this string and I have been impressed with your responses so I have a question for you but I am unsure if you have already covered it. I have a 2013 Fit Sport. I have had it for a little over a year. I live in the NYC area and our roads are just awful after having had two pretty awful, snowy winters back to back. I love this car but have had to replace 5 tires in this short time of owning the car due to sidewall bubbles and two actual blowouts due to hitting pot holes. I can change to my donut in under 12 minutes unassisted!! I hate having this skill. I have bought two of the tires from Tirerack because no one seems to sock these tires (185/55R-16). It has been suggested that I change to a larger tire (201/50-16) because they will be easier to replace and because they may be a bit hardier and not as susceptible to pot hole explosions. Is this even true? And should I do this? If it means I can go longer then 4 months without replacing a tire I will do it. Help!
Ideally i'd like something that will fit on the stock rims and would not mind moving to a 205/50-16 size. I need an all-season tire with good winter performance as I live in New England and endure its winters there. My secondary considerations would be comfort as the ride on the stock Dunlop tires is quite harsh. I would also like something that would decrease road noise. I drive primarily on the highway and something that offers good performance would be nice as well. Is there anything like this that comes close? I've heard good things about the Continental DWS, would you recommend that?
I realize the best thing would probably to get two sets of tires, one for the summer and dedicated snow tires but I do not have a place to store an additional set so I'm looking for a great jack of all trades.
Any help or recommendations would be great. Thanks.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/videoDisplay.jsp?ttid=188&videoID=302&affiliate=HK8
Based on our separate tests of the Michelin Premier Assurance A/S' and the Continental ExtremeContact DWS' the Premier Assurance performs better in snow.
Ride compliance: Much of the ride harshness you're experiencing is due to the Fit's short wheelbase, suspension design and roads ravaged by harsh winters, so there's only so much we can improve.
That being said the Michelin Premier Assurance A/S tested did a good job of dampening the tar strips and road imperfections encountered on our Road Ride test loop so there should still be a noticeable improvement from switching from the OE Dunlops to the Michelin Premier Assurance A/S’. The Premier Assurance A/S also rides better than the Continental ExtremeContact DWS'.
Tread noise: Some of the tread noise you’re hearing is intrinsic to the Fit so I would expect the Premier Assurance A/S to have less tread noise than the OE Dunlops but I don’t foresee a radical difference.
So for your parameters I would go with the 185/55-16 Michelin Premier Assurance A/S. Currently they’re $133.15 before the $70 ($17.50 per tire) mail-in rebate ending 7/19.
Thanks.
Cy
Bless you for keeping this very thorough thread going.
My 2009 Honda Fit Sport just passed 92K. I started out with Bridgestone Turanza EL470 83H All-Season in that odd 185/55/16 size. Those lasted to 39K. In Jan 2011 I sized up to 205/50/16 to have more options and got Sumitomo HTR A/S P01 which have lasted about 50K. I lost some fuel economy with that switch, so if there are truly good options in the OE size I would probably go back.
I have a reasonably assertive driving style, as Dallas traffic necessitates some snappy handling at least once a day. I commute approx 20 miles on the highway each way, but that could be at 80 mph or 40 with a lot of stop and go. 9 months out of the year it's dry here, but when it's not we get a little bit of everything (rain, hail, snow, tornadoes, lots of high winds). So good handling in a variety of conditions would be preferable. I'm economical, but willing to spend more for a better tread life in addition to the handling & wet grip as mentioned above.
In the 205/50/16 size I had narrowed it down to Bridgestone Ecopia EP 422, Continental Extreme Contact DWS or Kumho Ecsta 4x, but it seems like your recommendations in the last year or so have changed a bit. Is one of those still the optimal choice or would you go with something else now?
Tire manufactures aren’t require to have an efficiency rating but the fact that Continental ExtremeContact DWS weighs 2 lbs less than Sumitomo HTR A/S P01 means it should be better with MPG.
Thanks. Cy.
This forum is great--thanks for running it. I'm looking for a tire recommendation for my 2010 Fit Sport. Obviously, rain is a major factor so I need something that handles well in the wet weather and, ideally, keeps up the MPG. what do you suggest these days?
Thanks!!
Thanks. Cy.
For hydroplaning resistance emphasis you're better off staying with the 185/55-16 Original Equipment size. With all other variables being equal the wider tire is more apt to hydroplane as the wider footprint floats instead cutting through standing water. In 185/55-16 I'd look at the Michelin Premier Assurance A/S as it tested well for wet grip and is special designed to resist hydroplaning as it wears. For a distant 2nd choice I'd look at the Kumho Ecsta PA31. Finally if you really want to run a wider sizer go with the 205/50-16 General G-Max AS-03.
Thanks Cy.
I have a 2013 Honda Fit Sport which I have just ordered your Koni STR.T Damper Set & Eibach Spring kit and Eibach Alaignment Kit (bolts) for, as well as a Progress Technology 19 mm rear sway bar. Really looking forward to this set up but am currently still on stock tires. What would you recommend? I live in Southern California and enjoy driving in the canyons so would like something sticky, it's dry here with the draught weather.
Also with that in mind, what camber specs would you recommend I tell the alignment shop?
Great and informative thread, thanks.
Great suspension set-up! For a daily driven vehicle with sport suspension we recommend getting a tire that balances great grip with decent wear. Best choice if we want to emphasize grip over wear would the 205/50-16 Ultra High Performance Summer BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp-2, see:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+Sport+COMP-2&partnum=05WR6GFSPC2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
Best choice if we want to prioritize wear over grip would be the Closeout 205/50-16 Continental ExtremeContact DWS, see:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact%20DWS&partnum=05WR6ECDWS&tab=Survey&affiliate=HK8
or it’s replacement the Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 which boasts improved steering response and wet grip compared to the ExtremeContact DWS, see:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact+DWS+06&partnum=05WR6DWS06&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&affiliate=HK8
As for camber I would ask your installer to align to factory settings as you might sacrifice tire wear by running non-factory alignment.
Thanks. Cy.
I'm driving a 2013 Honda Fit sport with original Dunlop tires.
I'm looking to replace all four tires.
I need ride comfort, good fuel economy and reduced noise. I'm a
I do lot of highway miles and I don' push my vehicle hard. What tires would you recommend?
Appreciate your help!! Nice forum.
Thanks for visiting the blog and for your kind words.
For your parameters I would recommend going with 185/55-16 Michelin Premier Assurance A/S, see:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Premier%20A/S&partnum=855HR6PREAS&tab=Survey&affiliate=HK8
In our comparison test we found the Premier Assurance A/S combined good ride, low tread noise, stellar wet grip and good overall handling. Staying with the Original Equipment 185/55-16 size helps with efficiency.
Thanks. Cy.
They have over 20K on them now and no flats or problems.
But the ride and handling is mediocre at best.
They ride hard and corner poorly. I have to really back it down on mountain switchbacks and most road curves. Other cars seem to pass me.
Maybe it's the design of the FIT?
But is there a better handling tire out there in preferably a larger size that qualifies as a substitute like a 205 50 R16 so the circumference is similar.
Any suggestions on a better tire for this car?
Not to many tire reviews yet since in 2015 Honda completely changed the FIT and it's handling too and few have replaced the OEM tires yet.
Thank you.
Great blog! Hi own a 2103 Honda fit base (Dx-a) with 175/65r15. I just bought a set of 2013 OE fit sport rims 16x 6 offset 53. I'm looking to put a new set of summer tire for my new rims. Will a 185/55r16 fit on my rims? Will it be a good fit for the car ? No rubbing? I'm thinking of going with the Michekin premier as. I will love your advice before I buy.
Thank you for your time. I really appreciate.
Thanks for visiting our blog. Assuming your Canadian-spec DX has the same clearance as the US-spec Fit (in theory it should) then 185/55-16's will fit your wheels fine and won't rub.
Cy
I have a 2015 Honda Fit with OEM Bridgestone Turanza ER300 185/55R16, and now is almost time to change them, after 32K.
I was thinking on buy 205/50-16 Michelin Pilot Sport 3, but there is a nice promo to adquire a same tire size but Bf Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp-2.
I understand that try a bigger size than OEM maybe will affect fuel economy, but I think that this will give me a little more stabilty on the road, I travel a lot.
Which tire would you recomend me.
Thank you four your time and, again, for being incredible advisors to all of us
My questions are:
-How does the cheaper Hankook VENTUS V2 CONCEPT2 compare to the other 205s in terms of Handling and Durability?
-Will the switch from 185 to 205 in stock 6" rims really affect fuel efficiency? How much?
-Will the switch from 185 to 205 increase road noise?
-Will the switch from 185 to 205 decrease responsiveness while turning because of the added bulge over the 6" rim?
Thanks in advance Cy!
Thanks for your kind words and visiting our blog.
We haven't done a head-to-head comparison test with Ventus V2 Concept 2 so we don't have as much hard data as we would like. Based on the overall trend we've seen with other Hankook all-season tires that we've tested I would expect to see good overall handling, decent wear but average wet grip.
For the parameters of handling, durability, better wet grip (the biggest safety difference we see in testing) and value I would go with the General G-Max AS-05 instead, see:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=G-MAX%20AS-05&partnum=05WR6GMAS05&tab=Survey&affiliate=HK8
With respect to other factors you mentioned, tread noise is more function of the specific tire choice and steering response will be more dependent on tire choice than a moderate width difference.
Best source for feedback on efficiency differences with 205/50-16 is the fitfreak.net owner’s site as you can find anecdotal feedback on drivers that have made the switch.
Thanks.
Cy
Current wheel and tire set up is Steel wheels with 175/65/15.
I am looking at suggestions for snow tires on the original 15" steels and for weight savings (
Our steel wheels weight 18 pounds so yours should weight the same or close. You’ll find “winter” wheels that are as light as 9.5 pounds. What’s a “winter” wheel? Winter wheels are wheels that we have segregated from normal wheel listings because they have more durable, resilient winter ready finish (obviously they can also be used year round).
Please do the following to see lighter compatible winter wheels:
1) From this link:
https://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterTireCompare.jsp?minLoad=S&sortSize=15&snowSortCode=10345&autoYear=2012&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Fit&autoModClar=Base&winterType=AB&startIndex=0&search=true&performance=W&affiliate=HK8
Click on the Add to Package button add your tire (if you just need wheels delete the wheels later).
2) You’ll now see a list of winter wheels.
3) Above the Filters on the left side of the page you’ll see an option to Sort. Click on Sort and sort by Weight.
Thanks.
Cy
Any tire is going to wear rapidly in that scenario so we can make some improvement but we're never get stellar wear. Best way to substantively improve wear is 1)go with an affordable tire that wears well for its category and 2)has tread design that allows your installer to re-mount your tires so that inside becomes the outside and vice versa. For example of a tire that meets those parameters see the BF Goodrich g-Force Comp2 A/S:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force%20COMP-2%20A/S&partnum=05WR6GFC2AS&tab=Survey&affiliate=HK8
Make sure that you rotate super frequently and experiment with running 5-8 pounds higher than the door placard pressure of 32 psi. See anecdotal feedback from other Fit drivers that experimented with comparable air pressures here:
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-generation-ge-08-13/33003-tpms-tire-psi-33-a.html
Thanks.
Cy