These tires would probably be perfect for a non-enthusiat living in a dry warm climate. In any other environment they are junk. This is the 3rd set of tires for my Forester and I can't believe the lack of grip when it's even slightly moist out. Once it's really wet it's like driving on ice. They are very quiet and ride extremly well. They are also good at sliding around on dirt roads, which can be fun. If it's muddy you better take a detour. Will try something else if they ever wear out.