These tires came stock on my 2012 Jeep Liberty Latitude. I purchased vehicle new in November 2012 and only have 3100 miles thus far so tires still look new. I don't see why these tires get such bad reviews. I have been very satisfied with the performance of these tires in all weather conditions. Yesterday we got a foot of snow combined with very cold temperatures and after reading all the negative reviews about this tire I was not expecting them to perform as well as they did: I was able to drive out through a foot of snow in 2WD without getting stuck, needing to rock the vehicle or using 4WD, I have the video to prove it but cannot include a link. 2012 Jeep Liberty drives out of foot of snow in 2WD on youtube will let you see for yourself that the reviews stating 4WD was needed in even small snow amounts are exaggerated. My previous vehicle had General Grabber AT2 tires and I wish they came in my size 235-65-17 as the Grabbers are my favorite tire so far. So far I cannot find one reason to replace these tires. If General decides to make the Grabbers in my size I would switch over only because I know how great they are off road but for normal everyday driving in all weather conditions these Wrangler HP's perform very well.